{"id":4966,"date":"2021-04-21T01:46:28","date_gmt":"2021-04-20T22:46:28","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/yellingrosa.com\/wordpress\/?p=4966"},"modified":"2021-04-21T02:28:14","modified_gmt":"2021-04-20T23:28:14","slug":"kolmas-persoona-latinan-ja-latino-sine-flexione-kieliss","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/yellingrosa.com\/wordpress\/?p=4966","title":{"rendered":"Kolmas persoona latinan ja &rsquo;latino sine flexione&rsquo; -kieliss&auml;"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Nyt kun olen jonkin verran tutustunut latinaan, interlinguaan ja esperantoon, huomaan olevani tyytym\u00e4t\u00f6n joihinkin piirteisiin. Yksi p\u00e4\u00e4ns\u00e4ryn aihe on ollut personapronomien yksik\u00f6n ja monikon kolmas persoona. Se tuntuu k\u00f6mpel\u00f6lt\u00e4. <a title=\"Lue enemm&auml;n Peanon interlinguasta\" href=\"https:\/\/fi.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Latino_sine_flexione\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Latino sine flexione<\/a> \u2013kieli, jota kutsutaan kehitt\u00e4j\u00e4ns\u00e4 Peanon mukaan <a title=\"Lue enemm&auml;n italialaisesta matematiikosta ja kielitieteilij&auml;st&auml; englanniksi\" href=\"https:\/\/sites.google.com\/site\/latinosineflexio\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Peanon interlingua<\/a>, ei anna ongelmaan helpotusta. Se ehdottaa:<\/p>\n<p>6. <a title=\"Lue Peanon interlinguan kieliopista englanniksi\" href=\"https:\/\/acproil.github.io\/pdf\/grammatical-notes.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Prounouns Personal<\/a><\/p>\n<p>\u2022me = I, me.<br \/>\u2022te = thou, thee.<br \/>\u2022illo = he, she, it, him, her.<br \/>\u2022nos = we, us<br \/>\u2022vos = you.<br \/>\u2022illos = they, them.<br \/>\u2022id = it.<\/p>\n<p>Feminine forms may be used:<\/p>\n<p>\u2022illa = she, her.<br \/>\u2022illas = they, them<\/p>\n<p>Ratkaisu <a title=\"Lue interlinguasta, jota kehittiv&auml;t monet kielitieteilij&auml;t\" href=\"https:\/\/fi.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Interlingua\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">interlinguassa<\/a> on saman suuntainen. <\/p>\n<p>Niin hullulta kuin se joidenkin mielest\u00e4 saattaa kuulostaa, olen alkanut hahmottaa omaa ratkaisua pronominien kolmannelle persoonalle. Samaa saatan tehd\u00e4 muidenkin korvissa rumasti soiviin ongelmiin. Lopputulos tullee olemaan jotain <em>latinan<\/em> ja <em>latino sine flexionen<\/em> v\u00e4lilt\u00e4 Homma voi j\u00e4\u00e4d\u00e4 kesken, kun innostus tai voimat loppuvat, ehk\u00e4 molempia.<\/p>\n<table border=\"2\" cellspacing=\"1\" cellpadding=\"2\">\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td valign=\"top\">Personapronomini<\/td>\n<td valign=\"top\">Akkusatiivi<\/td>\n<td valign=\"top\">Omistusmuoto<\/td>\n<td valign=\"top\">Englanniksi<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td valign=\"top\">ia<\/td>\n<td valign=\"top\">iam<\/td>\n<td valign=\"top\">ius<\/td>\n<td valign=\"top\">\n<p>He, him, his<\/p>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td valign=\"top\">ea<\/td>\n<td valign=\"top\">eam<\/td>\n<td valign=\"top\">eus<\/td>\n<td valign=\"top\">\n<p>She, her, her<\/p>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td valign=\"top\">id<\/td>\n<td valign=\"top\">id<\/td>\n<td valign=\"top\">idus<\/td>\n<td valign=\"top\">it, it, its<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<p>Monikko on viel\u00e4 harkinnan alla. Yll\u00e4 olevatkin ratkaisut saattavat viel\u00e4 muuttua, mutta varmasti jotakin niist\u00e4 j\u00e4\u00e4 mahdolliseen lopulliseen kieleeni. Mietin v\u00e4h\u00e4n sit\u00e4, ett\u00e4 voinko k\u00e4ytt\u00e4\u00e4 <strong>ius<\/strong> -sanaa, kun se tarkoittaa klassisessa latinassa <strong>lakia.<\/strong> Latino sine flexionen ratkaisu substantiivien kohdalla on se, ett\u00e4 ne johdetaan sanan yksik\u00f6n ablatiivista, jolloin laki-sana saa muodon <strong>iudicio<\/strong>.<\/p>\n<p>Muutamia lauseita n\u00e4ill\u00e4 tiedoilla, kun viel\u00e4 t\u00e4ss\u00e4 vaiheessa taivutan verbej\u00e4, kuten latinassa. Peano ehdottaa, etteiv\u00e4t verbit taivu persoonan mukaan.<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>\n<p>Mi amabam eam, sed ea destituit me. = Min\u00e4 rakastin h\u00e4nt\u00e4, mutta h\u00e4n on hyl\u00e4nnyt minut.<\/p>\n<li>\n<p>Id erat indusio. = Se on h\u00e4nen (feminiini) mekko.<\/p>\n<li>\n<p>Iure est idem ad omne, solum iudicios variant. = Laki on kaikille sama, vain tuomiot vaihtelevat.<\/p>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Latino sine flexionen monikko muodostetaan lis\u00e4\u00e4m\u00e4ll\u00e4 monikon <strong>s<\/strong> -tunnus sanan loppuun. <\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>\n<p>Iudicio = tuomio<\/p>\n<li>\n<p>iudicios = tuomiot, tuomioita jne.<\/p>\n<li>\n<p>Indusio -sanan klassisen latinan yksik\u00f6n nominatiivi on indusium =&gt; Ea amat indusios. = H\u00e4net\u00e4r rakastaa mekkoja.<\/p>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<a class=\"synved-social-button synved-social-button-follow synved-social-size-48 synved-social-resolution-single synved-social-provider-facebook nolightbox\" data-provider=\"facebook\" target=\"_blank\" 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Yksi p\u00e4\u00e4ns\u00e4ryn aihe on ollut personapronomien yksik\u00f6n ja monikon kolmas persoona. Se tuntuu k\u00f6mpel\u00f6lt\u00e4. 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